A350 and 787 prices

Airbus A350-800 $160 million
Boeing 787-800 $120 million
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/.../jun2005/nf20050613_1891_db016.htm

Quote: A350-800 XWB list price $186 million The pricing data alone indicates which airplane the A350XWB is really aimed at. The A350 is simply not price-competitive to the 787.

http://www.leeham.net/filelib/ScottsColumn071806.pdf

Zvezda 747 outsells A380

Since Airbus began taking WhaleJet orders (beginning 2000), it has been outsold by the JumboJet (202 to 160). Since the launch of the 747-8, it has outsold the WhaleJet 87 to 3 (counting both the recent AF and EK top-up orders, which I'm not sure have been signed).

The 747-8 will very likely sell enough frames to be profitable

Already has.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3434631/#91

US Budget and Trade Defecit

Quoting Wsp (Reply 23): I am sure you could look these up by yourself. But here FYI:

Thanks for the links. I'm curious where Slz is getting his numbers, because the links you provided paint a very different picture from the doom and gloom he was spreading. Actually government debt is much higher in Europe than the US.

Quote: General government gross debt in the EU-25 reached 63.4 % of GDP in 2005, compared with 60.5 % in 2002. In the euro area, the rise was of the same order, from 68.1 % to 70.8 % of GDP.

General government debt in Belgium was 93.3% in 2005. Germany-67.7, France 66.8.
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cac...6-001-06/EN/KS-CD-06-001-06-EN.PDF
page 162-163

Quote: For the United States, debt held by the public amounted to 37 percent of GDP at the end of FY 2005. This ratio is significantly lower than the average of 47 percent for the 1990s and has remained fairly stable since the Bush administration took office, ranging from 33 percent to 37 percent. In short, federal debt and deficits relative to GDP for the United States are both in quite manageable ranges and are in no way a fundamental threat to the U.S. economy.

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js4281.htm

Also you have to consider the growth rate is the US is higher, roughly twice that of Europe. Per capita income is higher, 35000 in the US compared to 2500 in the Euro Area. Germany, the biggest economy in Europe is 25700. Labor productivity is higher in the US 136 to 106. GDP is 10037 in the US compared to 799 in the Euro Area.

As for the balance of trade defecit, which is totally different from the budget defecit (some people like to conflate the two)

Quote: Another commonly expressed concern is the view that the United States, not merely the government but the country as a whole, is relying too heavily on foreign capital to finance its spending. The reliance on foreign capital is counterpart of the U.S. current account deficit, which has grown steadily over the last 9 years to reach over 7 percent of GDP. There are a number of reasons to believe, however, that the United States is capable of maintaining a sizable current account deficit for a much longer period than most other countries. The net external liabilities of the US were quite low relative to the size of the economy when the existing period of current account deficits began in 1995, rose markedly during the next 5 years to between 20 percent and 25 percent of GDP, then stabilized at roughly that level since 2002. A net external liability position of 20 to 25 percent of GDP is very manageable for the United States, and suggests that there is substantial room for it to increase before it would begin to pose a financing problem.

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js4281.htm

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3402645/

747 outsells the A380

[quote=KFLLCFII,reply=20]since the time the first order was logged for the A380 (Emirates, July 2000), the 747 has only accumulated a total of 197[/quote]
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3319352/?searchid=3319352&s=197#ID3319352

911 airline rescue package

Congress passed a $15 billion aid package for the airline industry: $5 billion in direct cash handouts and $10 billion more in government- backed loan guarantees.

Besides America West, only two small regional carriers-- vanguard Airlines of Kansas City and Alaska's Frontier Flying Service-- have applied for federal loan guarantees.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/transportation/jan-june02/airline_aid_2-12.html

WSJ 5/30/2006 Applications from seven airlines were rejected, including UAL Corp.'s United Airlines, which applied twice. Three carriers turned down ended up shutting down: Vanguard Airlines, Great Plains Airlines and Mr. Conway's National. Some big carriers that have faced financial troubles recently, such as Delta and Northwest Airlines, didn't apply for the loan program.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114895120797865882-zHGd3HUDjEiFaTWZTO5LHSlvV4k_20070530.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

Boeing has 82% of wide-body market

Airbus is suffering from relatively weak sales of its A330/340 models, as well as the A380, which is heavily burdened by production problems, and the repeatedly re-designed A350, FT Deutschland said.

In the segment for wide-body airplanes, Airbus's market share now stands at only 18 percent, compared to Boeing's 82 percent, it added.

15 January 2007,
http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1168848002.41/?searchterm=airbus

Airbus not a normal company

“Both Louis Gallois and I would rather be the only chief in the ring,” Enders said. “Maybe one day the dual leadership will come to an end.”Gallois said of the management arrangement: “We can live with it, but for the future we must bring about that Eads and Airbus become a normal company. We are not that yet today.”
Published: Sunday, 4 March, 2007, 10:02 AM Doha Tim

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=136137&version=1&template_id=48&parent_id=28

Zeke: probability of a dual engine failure on an ETOPS twin

Quoting Zeke (Reply 19):Statistics is based upon probabilities, the chance of a double engine failure on a twin can be as probable as winning the lotto, just about every week someone seems to win lotto.

OldAeroGuy:The regulatory probability of a dual engine failure on an ETOPS twin for a diversion time of more than 180 min. is on the order of one such event in 10 billion flight hours (1 in 10,000,000,000).http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p88/436040.pdfAre the odds on your lotto that improbable? If so, the tickets sales required to have a winner must be very high.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3252229/?searchid=3252229&s=777+diversion#ID3252229